hasselblad Mon, 25 Sep 2000 Volume 1 : Number 999 In this issue: Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad dead medium walking The creative possibilities... Re: The creative possibilities... Re: dead medium walking Re: dead medium walking followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: dead medium walking Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: dead medium walking Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad RE: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:58:22 -0400 From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video To: Subject: Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000924115813.00b25ca0@bnhpop1.bhphotovideo.com> At 03:00 AM 09/23/2000, you wrote: >Is there a retail price available yet on this back? Not yet. :-) -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:56:32 +0200 From: Ragnar Hansen To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: dead medium walking Message-ID: <39CBD590.F937DE9C@powertech.no> After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and call up the values. I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and density data for reprocity. Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls for $ 2,60 per square meter. I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought multiple input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data files, scanned negs and so on. The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as new. Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the film !!!!! Ragnar Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:27:00 -0700 From: "RICH" To: Subject: The creative possibilities... Message-ID: <000001c0264c$a6146ba0$dd7e273f@rjiredff> When I specified "the creative possibilities of this medium" I meant the creative possibilities of photo-chemical technology. I believe that many people who use a camera will soon eschew the older technology for the newer digital medium primarily for its lower cost and high convenience factor. It will not be long before one will be hard pressed to developing and printing done at all. Just TRY and get your 8mm movie film developed today... just try and get 8mm movie film! While the general consumer will leave photo-chemical processes behind, the fine-art photographer will spend the extra money and take the extra time to continue to work in it. I have always felt that one of the great appeals of the photo-chemical process is its serendipitous nature. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:05:30 -0500 From: "Mark Rutledge" To: Subject: Re: The creative possibilities... Message-ID: <001701c02652$0727da80$35a8cbd8@niki> >>Just TRY and get your 8mm >>movie film developed today... just try and get 8mm movie film! Actually both are readily available:) Mark Rutledge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:10:46 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <39CE7BE6.1ED01DDA@sympatico.ca> Sound to me like you have a lot of time on your hands. Also a wife who you have tethered to the kitchen. Come on Ragner and join the real world. Try this next week. Go for a walk with your wife as well. When you get back, help her cook dinner. And after that instead of napping you can help clean up. Its kind of interesting as I now know why I have little time. I believe in equality and that means cooking and groceries etc. After that, it leaves me little time and that's why I am making the best of it by at least getting in some photography in the digital world. Ragnar Hansen wrote: > After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. > When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom > and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but > this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I > extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I > eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in > the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take > a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor > has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger > and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. > The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the > enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. > The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and > call up the values. > I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the > cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger > this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and > density data for reprocity. > Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls > for $ 2,60 per square meter. > I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and > the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the > paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and > four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. > Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been > dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices > of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital > revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought > multiple > input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data > files, scanned negs and so on. > The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to > amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as > new. > > Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the > film !!!!! > > Ragnar Hansen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:19:15 -0400 From: David Parmet To: Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: You guys wanna have a conversation with my wife? on 9/24/00 6:10 PM, Colin Monteith at monteith1@sympatico.ca said: > Sound to me like you have a lot of time on your hands. Also a wife who you > have tethered to the kitchen. Come on Ragner and join the real world. Try > this next week. Go for a walk with your wife as well. When you get back, help > her > cook dinner. And after that instead of napping you can help clean up. Its > kind of interesting as I now know why I have little time. I believe in > equality and that means cooking and groceries etc. After that, it leaves me > little > time and that's why I am making the best of it by at least getting in some > photography in the digital world. > > > Ragnar Hansen wrote: > >> After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. >> When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom >> and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but >> this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I >> extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I >> eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in >> the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take >> a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor >> has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger >> and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. >> The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the >> enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. >> The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and >> call up the values. >> I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the >> cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger >> this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and >> density data for reprocity. >> Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls >> for $ 2,60 per square meter. >> I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and >> the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the >> paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and >> four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. >> Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been >> dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices >> of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital >> revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought >> multiple >> input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data >> files, scanned negs and so on. >> The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to >> amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as >> new. >> >> Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the >> film !!!!! >> >> Ragnar Hansen >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, >> Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no >> way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. >> >> To change your subscription status, go to: >> http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad >> Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm >> Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, > Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no > way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: > http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > -- david@parmet.net http://www.parmet.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:12:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Monaghan To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: quote: And the old stuff will depreciate like a lead balloon. endquote Raises several good points. First, few of us are used to seeing 90%+ drop in value of our cameras and lenses in the space of 2 or 3 years, nor are our industry prices well adjusted to reflect the high costs in time and effort of training to use the new digital processes and software etc. I am not sure that the savings in film and processing costs will balance all the real hidden costs of going digital, including rapid depreciations (and not only for tax purposes). Many organizations that tried to track and justify PC usage found that indirect costs were much higher than anticipated for training, new business process development and implementation, and so on - and I suspect the same will apply to us? second, most of us Hasselblad owners are uniquely spoiled. We have the only MF SLR system which can still use lenses and accessories from the late 1950s, and many of us have bought in before the effects of European currency rise and labor costs moved Hasselblad gear to present prices. We are used to buying low and selling high, perhaps even making money on used gear sold today due to continued compatibility and high prices of newer models, right? Now we are facing large investments in digital backs (circa $20,000 US now, still likely to be significant in 2 to 5 years) and we must assume that the upgrading of chips will mean new backs, new computers, new software and so on. But that $20,000 US digital back of today may be a low end back in 3 years, and worth much less than one on the "bleeding edge" then (64 Mpixels?). It is going to be a new experience to see a hasselblad "investment" lose 50-90% of its value in a few years ;-( The bottom line is that going digital is going to be a new business model which is likely to require much higher depreciation losses and training costs than in the past. It will be interesting to see if the savings in film/processing costs will work out positively against lost time and rapid obsolescence, especially since many jobs will still require quality of film imaging in transition period. as the Chinese curse goes - may you live in interesting times ;-) bobm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:40:07 -0500 (EST) From: garycunningham@webtv.net (Gary Cunningham) To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <9925-39CE9EE7-2914@storefull-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-19707-1646 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit WHAT? .....I feel so insensitive now.....I mow the grass, change the oil, fix the leaking roof, etc., etc. and my wife doesn't help me and she doesn't feel guilty at all. You've got the greatest wife in the world if she's helping you with all that after you both get done cooking and cleaning. When my wife helps me with the things I thought were my logical chores, I'll break out the Hassy and record THAT event for sure. --WebTV-Mail-19707-1646 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by storefull-156.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 23B2116E; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: garycunningham@webtv.net Received: from sherman.kelvin.net (sherman.kelvin.net [207.155.118.230]) by smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A457162; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (smtp.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by sherman.kelvin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-49406U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:07:44 -0700 Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.229.96.133]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000924221254.RDGP19855.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:12:54 -0400 Message-ID: <39CE7BE6.1ED01DDA@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:10:46 -0400 From: Colin Monteith MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking References: <000101c024a7$497de660$fc7e273f@rjiredff> <39CBD590.F937DE9C@powertech.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Sender: hasselblad-request@kelvin.net Sound to me like you have a lot of time on your hands. Also a wife who you have tethered to the kitchen. Come on Ragner and join the real world. Try this next week. Go for a walk with your wife as well. When you get back, help her cook dinner. And after that instead of napping you can help clean up. Its kind of interesting as I now know why I have little time. I believe in equality and that means cooking and groceries etc. After that, it leaves me little time and that's why I am making the best of it by at least getting in some photography in the digital world. Ragnar Hansen wrote: > After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. > When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom > and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but > this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I > extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I > eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in > the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take > a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor > has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger > and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. > The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the > enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. > The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and > call up the values. > I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the > cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger > this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and > density data for reprocity. > Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls > for $ 2,60 per square meter. > I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and > the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the > paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and > four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. > Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been > dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices > of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital > revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought > multiple > input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data > files, scanned negs and so on. > The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to > amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as > new. > > Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the > film !!!!! > > Ragnar Hansen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html --WebTV-Mail-19707-1646-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:55:25 EDT From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: An earlier post compared the decline in chemical-based photo equipment use to the "obsolescence" of 8mm movie cameras. Being a collector of these cameras, I'll have to state that many of these USED 8mm and Super8 cameras are selling today for the same or more than they did in the 50's and 60's. As long as Kodak (and other firms) continue to manufacture the 8mm film format, these cameras will continue to be popular....and that they ARE! As any 8mm/Super8 filmmaker will tell you, there are many applications for which VIDEO or DIGITAL will just NOT do. Filmmakers appreciate the VIDEO and DIGITAL media now available for showcasing their film-based work, but these media are so different, they cannot be compared and one cannot be a substitute for the other. Film (the movie kind) demands a very high level of preparation, creativity, and teamwork in all levels of production. Digital technology has evolved in such a way in that industry as to assist in the filmmaking process....NOT replace or substitute it. As with still photography, I strongly believe that as long as Kodak, Fuji, etc. continue to make film....a large number of filmmakers will continue to improve the movie-making process and use digital technology to enhance it, but not replace it. Just as television did not make cinema obsolete, so too digital will not replace film-based photography any time soon. Cinema has been around for 100 years, mass-media television for 50-some years. Both have evolved independantly of one another. Filmmaking now has a very wide array of film stocks to achieve whatever "look" the cinematographer desires and digital technology has taken the aspect of special effects in movies to new heights. Television is quickly moving into High-Definition and digital-based programming. Yet television has it's place and so does cinema. every year, the moviemaking industry sets new records in box-office profitability. My point is....both chemical-based and digital photography will continue to evolve. I've read many articles which relate to the move by these chemical-based manufacturers in developing more environment-friendly formulas, etc. Also, the number of different film stocks continue to multiply with time. So comparing these two monsters (digital and film) is just a futile effort in my opinion. Both can continue to thrive side by side. It's just nice to have the option to choose if and when the application allows that option. Bob R. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:54:00 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: dead medium walking Message-ID: <39CEA228.89F1F513@sympatico.ca> There is nothing like a good old fashioned marriage!!! Mind you it would be tough for her to get up on the roof as that chain attached to her leg probably will not stretch that far. OK, I am being more than a little flippant here. Maybe just jealous that I don't have time to get into the darkroom these days. Gary Cunningham wrote: > WHAT? .....I feel so insensitive now.....I mow the grass, change the > oil, fix the leaking roof, etc., etc. and my wife doesn't help me and > she doesn't feel guilty at all. You've got the greatest wife in the > world if she's helping you with all that after you both get done cooking > and cleaning. When my wife helps me with the things I thought were my > logical chores, I'll break out the Hassy and record THAT event for sure. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: dead medium walking > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:10:46 -0400 > From: Colin Monteith > Reply-To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > To: hasselblad@kelvin.net > References: <000101c024a7$497de660$fc7e273f@rjiredff> <39CBD590.F937DE9C@powertech.no> > > Sound to me like you have a lot of time on your hands. Also a wife who you have tethered to the kitchen. Come on Ragner and join the real world. Try this next week. Go for a walk with your wife as well. When you get back, help her > cook dinner. And after that instead of napping you can help clean up. Its kind of interesting as I now know why I have little time. I believe in equality and that means cooking and groceries etc. After that, it leaves me little > time and that's why I am making the best of it by at least getting in some photography in the digital world. > > Ragnar Hansen wrote: > > > After a good day in the woods, my elk dog, my Hassy and me returns home. > > When my wife is putting the dinner on the table , I go into my darkroom > > and puts the film into the Jobo ATL processor.I use Porta 160NC, but > > this time I want a litte more contrast and colour saturation, so I > > extend the dev. time with 30 sec. The machine processes the film while I > > eat. When I am finished eating , the film is finished. I put the film in > > the drier and starts up the Thermaphot 50 cm RA4 processor. Then I take > > a nap. After sleeping half an hour, the film is dry and the processor > > has heated up.I start up my Durst Pictochrome Elite autofocus enlarger > > and the Durst Optoscan analyzer. > > The optoscan scans the negatives and sends singnals by a cable to the > > enlarger what filter values and density to be used for each negative. > > The enlarger stores the values and I put the neg into the enlarger and > > call up the values. > > I then turn on the focusing light , and by a button changes the > > cropping. I'll want to use Ilfocolour 2000 paper so I tell the enlarger > > this and the enlarger sets the right time and corrects the colour and > > density data for reprocity. > > Ilfocolor 2000 is the best colour paper I know, and I buy it in rolls > > for $ 2,60 per square meter. > > I tell the paper magazine that I want to make a 50x70 cm enlargement and > > the magazine pushes out 71 cm of paper from a 50 cm roll. I put the > > paper on the easel and starts the exposure. Then into the processor and > > four minutes later a washed and dried print comes out. > > Is it a dream? Nope. I have been photographing for forty years and been > > dreaming of making large colour enlargements cheap and easy but prices > > of this kind of equipment waas far too high . Then came the digital > > revolution.The labs were afraid of being left behind so they bought > > multiple > > input machines which could make pictures from different inputs, data > > files, scanned negs and so on. > > The analogue machines were left and were more than happily sold to > > amateurs like me for a fraction of the cost, even when they were good as > > new. > > > > Thank heaven for the digital revolution, but thank it even more for the > > film !!!!! > > > > Ragnar Hansen > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:05:29 -0400 From: "Klaus Knuth" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <011501c02695$15e9cb80$aaa1113f@delllaptop> Robert wrote: > It is going to be a new > experience to see a hasselblad "investment" lose 50-90% of its value in a > few years ;-( There's hope I believe. Hassy in my mind equals the lens and the box behind it. And it's up to Hasselblad to keep up with the times. The $ 1000.00 Polaroid SS 4000 seems to come pretty close today to what makes sense to digitize 35mm film, with a file size (uncompressed) of >60MB per scan. So it seems easy to figure out that backs for MF at 16 MB haven't quite arrived as of yet. Even with adjustments for compression. The new Nikon and Canon models like the 3.25 Megapixel Nikon D1 for 35mm systems will still become the darlings of documentary and press photography and the day is near when today's Canon EOS D30 will have the features of today's Canon EOS-1V, because they fit these needs. The September/October 2000 issue of "American Photo" has shots of Naomi Campbell taken with a 555 ELD + Phase One digital back. Check for yourself if it cuts the custard. To me it does. For magazine quality anyway. But poster size? Anyway - I believe that the digital medium will take over film - more or less. But not the camera itself, and not the lenses. And that's the Hassy part that's important - or is it? Klaus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:33:07 -0400 From: "Klaus Knuth" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <013101c02698$f186c640$aaa1113f@delllaptop> wrote: > Filmmakers appreciate the VIDEO and DIGITAL media now available for > showcasing their film-based work, but these media are so different, they > cannot be compared and one cannot be a substitute for the other. ... ... Just as television did not make cinema obsolete, so too > digital will not replace film-based > photography any time soon.... I beg to differ. Let's wait for the next episode of Star Wars - to my limited knowledge at least one of the first big screen events done entirely in digital. But then again, I'm the one who was already amazed at what's possible in the now ancient "Jurassic Park" ... Question is: Can you compare TV vs. Big Screen to Film vs. Digital? Answer: #1: TV is a puny little box with a low res view of the world. #2: Movies are (if you're in a good theater) high res, digi sound "big screen (!)" entertainment. So: Film vs. Digital is like Audio' s Vinyl vs. CD - remember how that ended? Sure there's guys with big reel tape recorders around (like me) - but do they matter? Klaus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:41:04 -0500 From: "Mark Rutledge" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <00aa01c0269a$0d156960$baa6cbd8@niki> >I beg to differ. Let's wait for the next episode of Star Wars - to my >limited knowledge at least one of the first big screen events done entirely >in digital. I hear Lucas isn't too happy with the way the digital thing is going. We'll have to wait and see if he continues as planned. Mark Rutledge ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:16:04 -0400 From: Colin Monteith To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <39CEC374.775CCD0@sympatico.ca> I think the issue is where the mass market end up. Manufacturers meet the demands of or create the mass market and ignore minority markets. So when digital reaches critical mass (and its getting there fast) watch film based equipment development fall off quite rapidly. One other issue which is often brought up in this forum. Quality of film based photography vs. digital. Nobody can argue that film will win out every time - for the moment. Having said that, its not an issue of quality though. If that were the case we would not have McDonalds, VHS and Kraft cheese slices to name only a few that dominate their markets but are far from best of class. If you have the time available in your life, keep your Hassy as its an incredible thing of beauty. If you don't have the time, go digital and keep the flame of photography alive in your life. But above all this anybody, don't ignore digital because you are laboring under the misapprehension that only film means artistic integrity and fine art. Klaus Knuth wrote: > Question is: Can you compare TV vs. Big Screen to Film vs. Digital? > Answer: > > #1: TV is a puny little box with a low res view of the world. > #2: Movies are (if you're in a good theater) high res, digi sound "big > screen (!)" entertainment. > > So: Film vs. Digital is like Audio' s Vinyl vs. CD - remember how that > ended? > Sure there's guys with big reel tape recorders around (like me) - but do > they matter? > > Klaus > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. This mailing list is in no way affiliated with Victor Hasselblad AB, it's subsidiaries, or affiliates. > > To change your subscription status, go to: http://mail.kelvin.net/guest/RemoteListSummary/Hasselblad > Digest archives are stored at http://www.kelvin.net/hasselblad/hassy.htm > Searchable archives can be found at http://www.listquest.com/arts/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:47:46 -0400 From: Austin Franklin To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Subject: RE: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <01C02681.DD4B4C30@user-2ive2jt.dialup.mindspring.com> > Having said that, its not an issue of quality though. If > that were the case we would not have McDonalds, VHS and Kraft cheese slices to name > > only a few that dominate their markets but are far from best of class. Add Microsoft to that list...they are the Kraft cheese of software.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:54:40 -0400 From: "Klaus Knuth" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <017001c026a4$55e77ca0$aaa1113f@delllaptop> Austin wrote: > Add Microsoft to that list...they are the Kraft cheese of software.... I second that! Klaus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:57:25 -0400 From: "Klaus Knuth" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <017c01c026a4$b81eeb60$aaa1113f@delllaptop> Mark wrote: > I hear Lucas isn't too happy with the way the digital thing is going. When did you talk to the guy? Klaus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:09:08 EDT From: BobR38@aol.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <5b.bb44417.270029e4@aol.com> For a film like Star Wars, of course digial is the way to go. But I don't think a gangster period film would look good in digital. Coppola should/would know. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:56:44 -0500 From: "Mark Rutledge" To: Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad Message-ID: <001301c026bd$da2053c0$13a6cbd8@niki> I didn't. But I do talk to the guys he gets his cameras from (digital & film). Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Knuth" To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: Re: followup Re: new Kodak 16 megapixel back for 'blad > Mark wrote: > > I hear Lucas isn't too happy with the way the digital thing is going. > > When did you talk to the guy? > > Klaus > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Hasselblad Users Group Listserv is a public service of Absolute Internet, Inc., which is not responsible for its content. 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